and he went to a lakers game, you know, which was seen as a very kind of common-touch sort of thing to do. these are things that, in my sense anyway, hu jintao would have been mortified to do. so he's getting a lot in terms of style points. the question is going to be, is there more than just style points? and i agree with richard that we're probably going to wait some time [inaudible] >> and his daughter goes to harvard? >> harvard, yes, that's right. >> under an assumed name. >> that's the theory, yeah. >> can i say one other thing? these are excellent points -- but one of the advantages that we have is that -- for this generation of leaders, we probably know them a little bit better than we've known their counterparts before. yeah, so as chris has indicated, xi jinping had a very long, by chinese standards, and successful trip around the united states. he was hosted by vice president biden. vice president biden also went to china. he had previously studied, as chris said, in the united states. li keqiang also has met regularly with visiting american other officials. and probably --